Beta 6 | Initial Feedback

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#1

Seriously outstanding work TC team! Excited for where this is headed. A couple of initial thoughts – may add to this thread as things come up:

  1. Will modular toolbar / workspace ever come return? I personally used the current layout (left + top + bottom) so the forced top/bottom bar doesn’t bother me at all but can see this irking a lot of those who got used to other layouts under the guise of customizable workspaces feature of previous releases.

  2. I understand why the majority of functions ended up in the shared toolbar at the bottom. Actually a fan of this but:
    a. Agree with @misho that dev toolkit should be down here within the tool group
    b. I firmly believe that the preview button action should be close in proximity with save as this is a decently standard workflow (Build > Save > Preview).

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  1. While convenient, it would be nice to have the ability to disable the Themeco tab under Templates as I can see clients wildly misusing this on pages.

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  1. I understand we’re all working on calling this Cornerstone again but the full name in the tab at the top feels a bit much. The hamburger was nice or even just the CS logo – and would pair well with the plus sign.

  2. Not sure what the solution is here but is there any way to retain the Control Group selectors in direct relation to the breadcrumbs? I recall so many situations in the old Pro builder where the Control Group selections were horizontally offscreen and people struggled find things. That said, they are also much more prominent now so I dig them. Just used them a lot within breadcrumb area.

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  1. Nit picking here but don’t love all of the loading cs cornerstone prompts. Just keep it clean and simple. The vertical lines are elegant. The logo and text feels very off.

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#2

Howdy, @DoncoMarketing!

Thanks for chiming in, as always the feedback is very appreciated. Glad to hear that overall you’re enjoying the new experience. Allow me to address your points…

  1. We did a poll with users a while back and the overwhelming feedback was, “I didn’t even know I could move things…” / “I never use the horizontal Workspace…” et cetera. That being said, we understand that the old “default” of the vertical bar might feel like a big change when moving into this context, but it was a necessity born out of making multi-document editing workable since the Document Tabs need a primary space up top. So since most didn’t even know they could customize their Workspaces, we opted to make the call since multi-document editing was such a big priority.
  2. Totally hear you on the Dev Toolkit. I did respond to Misho about that on his thread (see my response to #8 here). I would love to know your thoughts on this as the Dev Toolkit is definitely more of a “power user” feature, so tucking it away / giving the ability to custom map shortcuts felt appropriate for it’s use-case. As for the preview button, I would tend to agree that going next to the save button makes the most sense. There was some internal debate about this that ended with it going in the toolbar because…it’s a tool, right? Haha. But I think that its purpose might man that it needs to contextually break out of that area.
  3. Good thoughts here, I will take this to the team for discussion!
  4. Again, good thoughts here for us to discuss internally.
  5. Check out my response to Scot here and let me know if you think my proposed dropdown solution is workable for you!
  6. Agreed that this can be tightened up. I think in the re-shuffle it was just one of those little details that got lost. It has been noted.

Thank you!

#3

Thanks @kory! Appreciate the detailed followups:

  1. Totally get that. As mentioned, this one doesn’t really affect me much as the current forced layout was essentially my go-to. That said, it might be nice to at least offer a swapping of top / bottom bars similar to how you can swap workspace left/right. Not as modular but possibly enough? Food for thought. :slight_smile:

  2. Totally get the shortcut concept for Dev Toolkit. Not a bad option but since it’s an advanced feature anyway and likely rare on majority of installs, even if it clutters the toolbar, might be nice to have quick access.

2b. :tada:

  1. :+1:

  2. :pizza:

  3. Dropdown concept would work well. It’s actually less about the internal breadcrumbs and more about the horizontal scrolling. That said, I can see this growing on me… maybe… probably…

  4. Just to be clear, my issue isn’t with the overlapping loaders (I figured that would get cleaned up). My issue is with how prevalent the CS logo is for every action. I like my clients to look past the builder in all honesty. So the less intrusive the branding, the better (probably the last thing the brand wants to hear).

:green_circle: New: 7. The use of the term install for creating a page, header, footer, component, etc feels a little odd. It might just be semantics but to me install makes sense for Templates whereas create or build seems a bit more natural for pages, headers, footers, etc.

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#4

Good stuff, Josh! Thank you, sir…I’m noting all this down and will share more as we work through the list. Much of today has been organizing items for us to take action on.

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#5

3 - Yes please.

4 - I agree.

6 - Indeed, don’t like them either. I think we could do without them. Also, the huge loading spinner is not as good as the old one.

7 - Noticed that too. I like your suggestions.

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#6

3 - We are still not sure about disabling the “Themeco” tab, but it has been noted.

4 - There are some internal discussion going on this. General sentiment is that we might remove the “Cornerstone” word and just keep the icon at least, but this has not been committed to…but your opinions are noted. :slight_smile:

7 - We are definitely changing the wording here. Under the “+” menu, any asset whether a blank one or styled one from our library or yours will display “Create” as the button label as it is physically making a new Document in your installation in addition to populating it with content (if not blank). Under the “Templates” pane in the Workspace, all of those buttons will be labeled “Add,” as you are appending those assets to whatever Document you are currently in. Great feedback here.

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#7

(2) I would also prefer the dev toolkit visible once turned on. (Even if there is a shortcut option)

(3) I would also like the ability to disable the themco tab it in preferences.

(5) I like the solution you provided in the link to Scot’s post.

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#8

Noted, thank you!

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#9

also, if the themeco tab is to stay, can it be after the library rather than before please?

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#10

Noted, @scotbaston!

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#11

Consider me a +1 for the feedback about the Themeco tab and the Dev Tools button placement.

#12

Wanted to write in here that I have reformatted the “Themeco” tab so that it is always after the “Library” tab in both the Add New Dropdown and Templates Workspace. This means that anything created by you or your team will always show first. After some internal discussion, there are no plans to remove the Themeco tabs from either of these contexts, but keeping your personal items first should help with that in both contexts.

As for the Dev Tools, we still haven’t decided if it will be getting moved out, but all feedback has been noted.

Thanks!

#13

Ok, then I have the following cheeky request :smile: Could you please add unique CSS classes to the buttons in the templates panel? That way we could hide it ourselves with some CSS.

#14

Well this works too:

.tco-control-group-tabs-content button:nth-last-child(1) {
	display: none;
}
#15

@JvP, that does indeed work, ha.

Also, just wanted to chime in here and ask that if anybody has any additional feedback they’d like to share, please open up a new thread so that we can keep conversations more organized. As threads get longer they can tend to wander from the original content, making it easier for us to lose track of certain things.

Thanks!

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#16

Nevermind, this also hides the Fonts tab under Globals.

#17

Yes, you might need a more specific selector to get it working. Thanks!

Small feature request regarding hiding the Themeco templates tabs
#18

Have you reached a conclusion on this yet? :slight_smile:

Personally I’d love for it to be just a hamburger icon or something like that.

#19

Hey, @JvP! I don’t have a final word on this yet, but if something is changed it would likely be just a removal of the “Cornerstone” wordmark, while the logo would remain in lieu of something like a hamburger. We will certainly keep you all updated when the next release comes out!

#20

Nice, thank you :+1: